U Not Gonna Like This

This is a very long post but please bear with me as I have copied all but two replies from a thread on the Online Dating Rights Forum about dishonesty on Wikipedia by the Tahirih Center

Here's the thread from Online Dating Rights forum:


tristan
Administrator



Wikipedia fraud by Tahirih
« on: January 30, 2007, 12:25:00 PM »



Our researchers have noted in the past that a teenage boy named erald Kolasi, son of a Tahirih employee, has developed the Tahirih Justice Center entry in Wikipedia and zealously guards it against any and all changes.



Wikipedia has policies to prevent a biased person from taking control over a website with which they are connected. The main policy is that such control is absolutely forbidden and that anyone posting must do so neutrally.



But what Tahirih has done is to write the Wikipedia entry as if it is a fundraising statement for them. The entry is hardly neutral and in particular it parrots Tahirih's political position that men who go abroad to find romance are sick, disgusting rapists waiting to happen.



Several members of this website have become editors of Wikipedia as anyone can become an editor and this is the foundation for maintaining accuracy in its entries, i.e. if enough people create and constantly edit the entries they will come out neutral. Even if some editors are biased, there should in theory be enough unbiased people to catch and change biased changes to an entry.



But it doesn't work that way, at least with respect to Tahirih. For instance, when our members made any edits to make the entry neutral, the teenager immediately deleted them using his power also as an editor. Other changes were made for neutrality, and the boy changed them right back to their original bias. This went on for a while until the members of this board gave up; the teenager has more time and energy on his hands (and more at stake due to his mother's connection with Tahirih) than did our members. (Example: one change was merely to add mention that a federal judge has issued a TRO against IMBRA where the entry discusses the IMBRA litigation; the boy will not permit that information to remain on the entry.)




Now, in light of a NY Times article today about how judges are using Wikipedia to make decisions, this unethical tampering with the public record by Tahirih's supporters takes on heightened importance.




http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/29/technology/29wikipedia.html?_r=1&oref=slogin



The article reads in part: "Cass R. Sunstein, currently a visiting professor at Harvard Law School. “I love Wikipedia, but I don’t think it is yet time to cite it in judicial decisions,” he said, adding that “it doesn’t have quality control” He said he feared that “if judges use Wikipedia you might introduce opportunistic editing” to create articles that could influence the outcome of cases."



Indeed.










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VeteransAbroad




Reply #1 on: January 30, 2007, 05:25:41 PM »



His name is Erald Kolasi or Erald Kalosi. The kid made me sick in early September as he psycopathically refused to compromise on anything. The saddest thing was that he entered this huge fight with me on what should have been the best days of his life: his first few days at college.



I took the memorable moments of his first days at college.



His new college roommates clearly thought he was weird and they broke into his Wikipedia account and wrote "I am a homosexual" in a lot of places. Erald then thought I had broken into his account and complained to the Wikipedia editors. Then he admitted that it was his roommates.



At that point I realized that this teen with a retarded social growth was going to eat and sleep at his computer, trying to promote feminism in the hope that he would get laid.



But Layli isn't going to sleep with him nor would Layli, the racist, ever set him up with anyone.



Male feminists are usually Beta Males who honestly think that feminist women will want to have date them and reject the anti-feminist Alpha Males.



But I have news for these demasculinized men: We anti-feminists actually do much better dating the American feminists whom we don't want to MARRY than the obsequious twirps who do their bidding and betray other guys.



Taylor and I differ on the subject of whether the men who date foreign women are the Alpha Males or Shy Males. But the Beta Males who support feminism in the hope of getting laid are the real losers in the end.


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Sluggo




« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2007, 10:38:00 PM »



Can we talk psychology here? If I am an expert on anything it would be teenage boys, because I was one for seven years.



I was a bit geeky like Erald. And if I had the chance to pal around with my mother's co-workers at an ALL-FEMALE OFFICE, there is no doubt that I would have done so at every opportunity and I would have been very eager to please them.



A boy at that age thinks about sex every 15 seconds or less, and he has sexual fantasies about, well, many, many women. Surely this boy is entranced by all the estrogen at the Tahirih office and the women there, such as Layli Miller who wears lots of makeup and has long hair in a perm, provide him with a rich source of masturbatory fantasies. And since he is the son of an employee, the women there will always treat him nicely and be happy to see him and to know how he is doing in college. In contrast to his female classmates who, if he is geeky as Veteran suspects, probably roll their eyes when they see him coming.



There is no way that appealing to this kid's intellect can compete with his biological instincts to suck up to these women in the chance, however small it may be, that he will get laid someday.




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VeteransAbroad






Reply #3 on: February 01, 2007, 03:18:06 AM »



Whatever the motivation for his bizarre behaviour, the owners of Wikipedia need to understand that all of the above is no excuse for letting a 19 year old dishonestly defraud the public by preventing editors from making the Tahirih Justice Center article more objective and professional and not the outrageous marketing brochure that it is now.



Here is his blog:



http://eraldicsector.blogspot.com/



You can see a teenager wrestling with religion (wanting to be religious).



The thing is, the guy has the potential. He is "intellectual", understands Napoleon's principles of propaganda ("What is history but a fable agreed upon"). He is not that bad looking and has at least 9 years of living among real men in Albania. He just needs to get a spine and talk with one of us on the phone for a half hour. He needs to understand that the crowd of older women who are so nice to him, happen to have passed the most draconian dating law in the history of democracies and none of these women will ever be his wife. They are ultimately not on his side if he wants to meet an Albanian woman from the homeland.



When I was trying to get some fairness written at Wikipedia (when I still believed the Wikipedia editors were fair) he tried to discredit me at Wikipedia by saying "This guy says on his blog that he is against feminism. Anyone who says that automatically loses all credibility".



I am not kidding. He said that.



The incident with this young man is like the end of the movie "The Bridge on the River Kwai" when British commandoes are trying to blow up a bridge, but it is a British prisoner who built the bridge who ends up stopping them and saving "his bridge".



But as he is mortally wounded and looking at all the dead British soldiers that he, as a British soldier just got killed, he says "What have I done?!" and falls dead on the detonator which finally destroys the bridge.



When it comes to IMBRA, I keep thinking of that scene in that movie.



There are men with the power to blow this thing wide open...who don't because they are somehow scared of their own shadow (are beta males).




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frank johnson






Reply #6 on: February 06, 2007, 09:26:47 AM »


How about some social intercourse with Erald and Veteran:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kirill_Lokshin/Archive_2

[edit] Alert



Well...it's sort of an alert. The Tahirih Justice Center article has been discovered by someone who is very anti-IMBRA and who made some major changes to the article recently. I have reverted these, but I may need your help in the future so I'm just letting you know. This person apparently started a whole thread in an online forum where there is even some discussion about personal matters relating to me (see here). He might need to be banned, although we'll see what happens.UberCryxic 17:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)



This guy (EnglishGarden) already opened a discussion on AI about me. I've added the link about my personal information there. I have to admit he is a little bit unstable. Just wait and see I guess.....UberCryxic 18:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)



Umm Kirill, I'm having some more trouble. At Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Tahirih Justice Center edited by son of fundraiser volunteer, one person wrote,



" I would be wary of editing articles where a conflict of interests might be presented. On one hand, you're a Wikipedia editor and must maintain NPOV when editing. On the other, it is your job, or a family member's job, to promote this organization. I would steer clear of the article if you're unable to be neutral. Furthermore, it is incorrect for you to assume bad faith in the complaining editor. He may have been accused of sock puppetry in the past, but that is niether here nor there. Please remain on topic. Regards to both"



No apparent care for the personal information.



EnglishGarden has written things like,



"You are still not disclosing whether there is financial remuneration in this for yourself. A 19 year old male isn't going to work hard as the webmaster of a Wikipedia article on a women's political organization in the Washington area whom his mother is a fundraiser/volunteer for...without some kind of interest."



"Erald's mother is a fundraiser volunteer for the Tahirih Justice Center. He has written a blatant fundraiser advertisement. Please check the changes I made. Here is the proof that she is a fundraiser/volunteer Mrs. Kolasi"




Can you please drop a word in there when you have time? Thank you very much. I'm sorry if this is all too sudden. It was definitely weird for me. I came back from class and for two hours straight I've had to deal with this stuff.UberCryxic 18:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)



I requested that now.UberCryxic 18:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)



Well, can you at least write another message to EnglishGarden telling him to stop using personal references and to stop being disruptive....or something to that effect. His focus on my mother precludes me from responding. As I told him, I would ignore any personal remarks from now on in the talk page. He is really flying off now, and he continues to make inflammatory and incorrect statements (claiming the person who I told you about was an administrator when in fact he wasn't) in his website. Thanks.UberCryxic 18:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)



EnglishGarden wrote this in reply to your message,



"Thanx Kirill. I have proven that this young man's mother is a fundraiser for the TJC. He has admitted as much on the complaint board. He has not disclosed that he is not receiving remuneration as the webmaster for this article. There is a family conflict of interest and another member has asked him to steer clear of this board as a result.



For removing POV, the words "exploit" and "marriage broker" and "mail order bride" either need to be removed or placed in quotations so it is very clear that the editors do not pass judgement on the online dating industry where there is a restraining order on the IMBRA law in question. See Restraining Order. This is the son of a fundraiser for Tahirih who is obviously the chosen webmaster. He should take a step back and ask himself what he is doing. This topic is clearly not in his personal interest otherwise."UberCryxic 19:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)



Hey Kirill, thanks for all your help man. This guy is really weird; he's talking crap about you now on his site. Really awkward person....UberCryxic 22:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)



Kirill, just a few minutes ago someone made an edit on my userpage with my username. They changed the statement "My name is Erald Kolasi and I have been a regular Wikipedia..." to "My name is Erald Kolasi and I AM A HOMOSEXUAL ... " Obviously I don't know who it is. I've changed my password but now I'm afraid to log back out because that person could change it again. I'm not really sure what to do except to not panic haha. Should I report this somewhere?UberCryxic 03:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)



On second thought, nevermind. Apparently it was my suitemates screwing around. Bastards...UberCryxic 04:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)



Kirill, the guy's back and in the past hour has made statements in the TJC talk page like...



"You state your name openly and everyone knows that your parents are on the fundraiser committee for Tahirih. You should have no responsibilities for this article."



and...



"You publish your name openly in your profile and your Mom is a fundraiser for Tahirih."



I'm wondering if any of this makes him liable for a ban now.UberCryxic 18:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)



He's...still making personal statements about my family. I told him again not to but I don't think he's listening.UberCryxic 21:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)



Well, why should he not be banned at this point? He won't stop talking about it. And you did say that personal information about the families would get either him or me banned.UberCryxic
21:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)



Yeah good points. I've now asked another admin to take a look at it.UberCryxic 21:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC)



Kirill, another admin warned him about continuing incivility on his talk page, but he still continues to make not only untrue references about my parents, but just references period, despite my best efforts at requesting him to stop. Can you give him another warning when you have time please? Thank you!UberCryxic 17:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)



Hi Kirill: In regard to the 2 day argument I had with Ubercryxic last week, I just discovered how this guy was actually asking you to help him keep the Tahirih Justice Center devoid of criticism. He lives online and was doing well enough alone in reverting changes that even lawyers were trying to make to no avail. I have zero time to waste on Wikipedia (with all due respect to you if you like hanging out here). But, because online searches these days favor Wikipedia articles, people have to deal with the people here now and then, if only to get a word in edgewise.



Please look at the reputable data I provided (court documents are reputable) and note that the 5th Amendment guarantees that a restraining order placed on a law like IMBRA (the supposed jewel in the Tahirih Justice Center crown) is a restraining order on all similar plaintiffs (in this case dating websites). IMBRA is dead in the water but the article calls it an accomplishment that allegedly provides "important" information to foreign women instead of "sensitive" or "private" or "too much" information, which would be just as POV laden.



There is no objective reason to call dating websites "Marriage Brokers". I provided the reputable document (the IMBRA law) that defines even social referral websites as "Marriage Brokers". It is a farce for Wikipedians to adopt the language of Tahirih and a law under restraining order when we are talking about matchmaking sites like MySpace and Match.com would be if their membership were >50% foreign. Meanwhile I've dated dozens of "mail order brides" but never married any of them. The term refers to women from a certain geographic areas and the term is racist if used in the pejorative.




The Tahirih Justice Center recently found a sympathetic judge in Ohio who said "The Supreme Court has never explicitly held that there is a fundamental liberty interest in an American meeting a foreigner for an intimate relationship". If this kind of attitude gets ignored or glossed over at Wikipedia, it won't be more than a year before you can take the words off "intimate relationship" and just have laws preventing Americans from meeting foreigners for any reason.



I happen to be an expert on the Tahirih Justice Center but who doesn't have the time to waste on Wikipedia arguing with an obdurate webmaster who thinks the article belongs to him because he got it somehow "peer reviewed". Ubercryxic, in addition, has been reverting small changes that a lawyer tried to make to make things more accurate. Ubercryxic practices complete reversion and doesn't try to work with anyone. Please end the problem by at least taking the change someone else made recently and finding a compromise so at least part of the small change can hold.84.56.10.252 12:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)



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VeteransAbroad




« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2007, 11:39:37 AM »


And the dishonest Wikipedia moderator called Kirill said "I don't care if he is the son of a Tahirih fundraiser, you cannot accuse him of this on Wikipedia".



Of course, Layli Miller-Muro of the Tahirih Justice Center would never do anything to prevent one-sidedness anywhere would she?



The willingness of American males to bend over backwards for "women's organizations" is being documented in this IMBRA fight.



I will have such a thick book to publish on this bad joke called "IMBRA and the Demasculinization of the American Male" that my problem will be trying to cut great material out of it.